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« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2008, 12:09:20 AM »
[Despite a quadruple filtering system, there is still a significant residue of creamy coloured gunge in my distillation unit after each 4 litres of filtration.]

I wonder if the water in Selangor is hard water and that 'creamy gunge' could be the calcium in the water. If it is you'll need a water softener system put in where the water enters your unit; then a RO filtration system to remove the 'salt' used in making the water 'soft'. Distillation does not remove the calcium in hard water.
I used the above 2 systems in Alberta as the water is fairly hard. Once the water is softened I used a lot less detergent/soap for the clothes and dish washers and baths; the glass shower panels are cleaner and required less washing!

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« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2008, 04:00:57 PM »
Distillation does not remove the calcium in hard water.

Hi BB,
I am not sure what you say is correct. If it is then the 'creamy gunge' remaining in my distillation pot is not likely to be calcium!

I just found the following which would appear to state the opposite:-

Distillation, through its water evaporation process, will remove any chemicals or organic materials with higher boiling points than water. Such chemicals and organic materials with higher boiling points include bacteria, minerals, trace amounts of metals, many volatile organic chemicals (VOCs), and nitrate (Binnie et al, 2002). Clearly, distillation is valuable in its removal of the potentially deadly VOCs and nitrate. It strips water of nearly all of its natural minerals, though. Many of the minerals the distillation process removes are vital to the body’s natural processes. The distillation process is not selective in its removal of minerals, and it strips water of both dangerous and valuable mineral compounds.

Source      http://www.historyofwaterfilters.com/ro-distillation.html
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Re: Is tap water safe to drink
« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2008, 08:14:29 PM »
Think I will stick to bottled water as with the amount of filters you need and the electricity to run the pumps and the cartridge filters and still don't get clean water it sounds like the cheaper/healthier/greener option

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« Reply #18 on: April 14, 2008, 11:56:39 PM »
I agree with you Fizzy. I'm not reading right nor thinking straight...in my mind was the scalings in the pot after processing 4L of distillation. A few years ago before I used RO system, I watched a video about a stainless steel distillation unit that a company in the US was promoting....it mentioned some thing about cleaning the unit of deposits as part of the maintenance. But, now I see you meant that creamy grunge in the already distilled/condensed water  :-[  ;D

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« Reply #19 on: April 15, 2008, 12:28:35 AM »
JJ, clean drinking water is most vital, but it's also important for general use in the house.
In my condo now I only have the ceramic Bio-filter system in the kitchen. There are days when the water is yellowish, but not obvious to the naked eye. How do I know? The water flow from the ceramic bio filter is reduced and I know I have to wash it. Also, my toilet bowls get pale yellowish streaks esp where water flows from under the rim and the areas under the water levels get the same yellowish film - just look disgusting like the bowls were not cleaned for a couple of weeks!
And using that unpredictable occasional yellowish water for showers and oral care is just not that ideal.

When I move to my new place which is a landed property I plan to install an industrial filter in the yard. At least I'll get cleaner water for general use and hopefully my toilets will not have yellow streaks that I cannot remove even with bleach and Vim. And a RO system in the kitchen for consumption.
It's more costly, but I know I'll cut down on the bleach  :)

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« Reply #20 on: April 15, 2008, 03:23:21 PM »
I agree with you Fizzy. I'm not reading right nor thinking straight...in my mind was the scalings in the pot after processing 4L of distillation. But, now I see you meant that creamy grunge in the already distilled/condensed water  :-[  ;D
Sorry BB we are still 'not on the same page'.
The gunge remains in the stainless steel unit where the water boils. The clear plastic 4 litre pot which collects the distilled water contains nothing except very pure H20. Nothing is visible to the naked eye, and little if anything would show up under a microscope!
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« Reply #21 on: April 15, 2008, 05:49:28 PM »
[Sorry BB we are still 'not on the same page']

whew, I think I got it this time!!...the gunge is in the stainless steel container ( just like the calcium deposits in the kettle)  :-\ ...that needs cleaning out as part of the maintenance, but the water that condenses in the plastic bottle is the pure product!!  ;D

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« Reply #22 on: April 16, 2008, 10:27:16 AM »
Correct Correct Correct. You gottit!
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« Reply #23 on: April 16, 2008, 11:57:05 AM »
 :D many thanks Fizzy for your patience  :)

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Tap water in Kuala Lumpur is safe to drink!
« Reply #24 on: May 25, 2008, 11:00:33 AM »
Hi All

This article from the New Straight Times today (25/05/08) I hope will re-open some healthy debate on the subject of 'Is tap water safe to drink'!

KUALA LUMPUR: Water flowing from your kitchen tap in your landed home is safe for consumption.
Syarikat Bekalan Air Selangor Sdn Bhd (Syabas) executive director (operations) V. Subramaniam gave this assurance, adding that there was no need for a home water filter system or for water to be boiled before being consumed.

He said the guidelines on national drinking water standards set by the Ministry of Health (MOH) was stringent enough to determine that the drinking water was safe.

Syabas, a fully privatised entity took over the distribution of treated water to consumers in Selangor, Kuala Lumpur and Putrajaya in January 2005.

Subramaniam's assurance comes in the wake of questions raised about our water quality in a recent New Sunday Times article.

In a related report, the Chemistry Department said no tests had been carried out to determine if tap water contained pharmaceuticals.

As at press time, questions sent to the MOH were not answered.

Subramaniam offered that the water quality standards set by the ministry was based on the World Health Organisation's (WHO) standards.

He said frequent checks on water samples based on set parameters were commissioned by both the ministry and Syabas.

He said that although water from the kitchen tap, which was usually obtained directly from the main pipe, was safe for consumption, water filters could indicate otherwise.

He explained that sediments which had settled in old pipes over time would cause the filter to turn brown. These sediments would also be "moved around" when water supply was disrupted and then restored following a pipe burst.

Iron and manganese content in water also make filters turn brownish.

"But these are within permissible limits set by WHO and the ministry. For example, there is an allowable limit of 5.0ntu for turbidity (measurement of silt content in water). But this is not visible and the water is safe to drink."

When a home unit filter is used, Subramaniam explained, the fine sediments were also trapped. "That's why it will look brown."

He said consumers needed to change their perception that they needed a filter system at home, or that they could only consume boiled water.

"Chlorine, which is added to the water to ensure there is no bacterial contamination, is lost when the water is boiled. The water you get from the vending machines also does not have chlorine."

Subramaniam cautioned that household filters which were not well-maintained could contaminate drinking water.

He argued that it was "more worthwhile" to ensure that the internal piping system in the home was well-maintained and rust-free.

To live up to the "filter test", Syabas is cleaning up some 13,000km of pipes through a flushing process on a six monthly basis.

Subramaniam said since it employed the technique in the middle of last year, the number of "coloured water" complaints had dropped, from an average of 300 complaints a month at its peak to just above 200 complaints a month currently.

He said the problem would be further curtailed when it completed its second round of flushing by the end of this year.

To reduce incidences of burst pipes, Syabas will replace about 6,000km of old asbestos cement pipes with ductile iron pipes and high-density polyethylene (HDPE) pipes. Some 800km of piping has been changed so far.

Syabas supplies treated water to some 7.3 million consumers through more than 1.5 million premise connections.

http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Sunday/National/2249512/Article/index_html

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Re: Is tap water safe to drink
« Reply #25 on: May 31, 2008, 08:33:21 PM »
hi,

I've got a fibre filter just after the meter. This takes out some of the brown stuff. There's another filter (double sort - ceramic and fibre) at the kitchen tap which takes out most of the chlorine smell.

I then boil the water intended for drinking.

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Re: Is tap water safe to drink
« Reply #26 on: August 24, 2008, 07:58:27 PM »
Just to give Malaysian point of view,
being a local, I never drink tap water from the tap.

For years, we boiled our water (that's before water
filters got popular) Now, we run our water to a water
filter plus alkaline water treatment. That's 4 filters.
So, we don't boil the water now.

At the very least, we run our water thru a single
stage filter & boil em.

 :)

 

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