MM2H Letter of Good Conduct UK

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This is becoming rather convoluted - but the truth is in there somewhere ...

Sukhi pretty clearly said the following (relevant bit in my italics) :-

<<They recommend that for individuals requiring Police Certificates for the purposes of applications for emigration, visas or residency in Australia, Canada, New Zealand, South Africa, the United States of America or other countries the individuals should obtain an ACPO Police Certificate which is processed entirely by the ACPO Criminal Records Office (ACRO).  This has been obtained and submitted with our application. >>

suggesting that Sukhi got a Police Cert - and used it for MM2H -- 


Now, the ACRO notes <<These notes apply to applicants wishing to obtain a visa for Australia, Belgium, Canada… etc (applications for other countries may be accepted subject to confirmation by the applicant of acceptance by the relevant Embassy…..etc) >> don't say that you can't get one if you are applying to Malaysia, just that they don't know that Malaysia will accept it, it's up to you to find out --  and they provide a box ("other countries") to tick on the form (form visible on ACPO site).

Could Sukhi pls confirm that this is what happened - and did the form look different from what appears to be a blue SA form posted by Scott (#72) ?

This whole thing arose because a couple of posters said that Jo Stay said that MoT did not accept the SA, and wanted a PC --- Joy Stay, in the reply quoted by Scott, evidently don't know what an SA is - but maybe nevertheless have been submitting them happily for years, calling them ACROs, so this proves nothing  -- 


The worry is that the blue form shown might be a PC not an SA ( I realise it says SA on it, Scott)  --  so could someone please identify it from direct experience?  In fact, Sukhi, if you got a PC and it did not look like the picture in reply #72, then the picture must be of an SA - and we have all been spending time on this for nothing!

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The letter is the £10 one, I have just received one. I have not yet applied for the MM2H applcation, will be in due course. I hope that helps.

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Ok - thanks Sukhi --  so conclusion :- Joy Stay created a false alarm by seeming to indicate that an ACPO PC was required, when in fact what they have been submitting for their UK clients all along is a £10 SA  (which is the blue thing with ACPO watermarked thru it, but is not a PC)...  Are we agreed on this, John ?

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hi,

Let's be fair. Joystay gave the top bit of the form.

On the form it says :

1). Acro (SAO)  = Subject Access Office

and . . .

2). email : subjectaccess@acro.pun.police.uk

and . . .

3). our reference SA  . . . . .

and

4). Section 7 Data Protection Act 1988 - Subject Access.

and . . .

5). Originating Police Force - Metropolitan. And we all know that the 10 quid Subject Access letter originates from your local force whereas the 35 quid Police Certificate is provided by the ACRO (ACPO Criminal Records Office).

And it's blue. And it's got ACPO all across it.

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Hi Scott,

Yes, it is now clear that a SAR is sufficient. However, it's taken a lot of delving to get to that point, and use of conflicting terminology doesn't help. It's not a "Police Certificate" - nor is it a "Letter of Good Conduct" which is what the MM2H refers to.

My question was a genuine query into a rather confusing situation in an attempt to avoid lengthening a long submittal process that we need to get right first time because we have to get our child in school for the start of the term in KL this autumn. We can't afford delays caused by mistakes as that will affect his schooling.

Anyway, I'm sorry if some have taken offence at me asking this question. I will be more careful at making requests in future.

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hi, Patonboy,

I can't imagine that anyone has taken offence. It's all a learning experience.

After all, what else is there to post about ?

However, I think that the forum has to be fair to Joy-Stay as we don't allow agents to post for themselves.

I don't agree with jimbob that Joy-Stay created a false alarm. Hence my Reply #96 above. However, we are all entitled to our own views and opinions.

I imagine that for Joy-Stay, and the other agents, the particular LGC terms for each country are somewhat irrelevant. After all, they have to deal with Iran, China, Pakistan et al.

It's probably more critical to the agents as to what particular "letter" Immigration will accept. And in the case of the UK it's blue with APCO all over it.

Personally I've enjoyed the progress of the thread and have learnt more about the matter. If it leads to this forum getting it right then it's all worthwhile.

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I agree with Scott - don't apologise, Paotonboy…

You got advice from JoyStay seeming to say that PCs were now the only things that were any good - which, if true, would have put a big dent in the plans of a lot of us, as timing is critical for most..

Joy Stay then wrote to Scott saying they didn't know what an SA was, reinforcing the idea that MOTOUR wanted PCs --  but luckily they sent a picture, and it turned out this was a picture of an SA, after all…

Only by going through this process have we been able to confirm that MOTOUR have not shifted the goalposts (always a worry…)

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I gotta say that as a non Brit this has been fascinating. I would never ever suggest for a minute that there could be a problem in UK of way too many mini kingdoms in the bureaucracy all falling over each other to duplicate in an effort to justify their existence, thus way too many bits of paper to choose from...that would be rude of me. Thank goodness I only had a choice of one bit of paper to get for my LGC, so no confusion could arise.

Also I have always been fascinated by the Malaysian habit (which is addictive) of reducing everything to initials...now I know where it all came from

Have a nice day y'all

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Well, it's not that complicated really.  Just two types of form.  One that applies to a few select countries and one that applies in other cases 

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hi,

I emailed MoTour on the subject and have received the following reply :

Asked

Can you please confirm if Immigration will accept, for UK applicants, the
Subject Access disclosure provided by the ACPO Criminal Records Office
(ACRO).

Answered

Kindly be informed that we will accept the Letter of Good Conduct (LGC)
which is issued by Police Station or Ministry of Foreign Affairs in your
origin country. We also do accept the LGC from ACPO Criminal Record Office.

Warm Regards,
Norhanis Muhd Nor
Malaysia My Second Home Centre

So that's it. They accept a Police Station issued letter and we've found out that subject access comes from a police station. Well, police force.

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hi,

The previous LGC thread has 7 pages. So I've split off the last 4 pages which are all 2010/2011 and generally about the UK into this new topic UK GLC topic. There's still some general posts here but they will be merged elsewhere when the internet connection is faster.

As I work through the remaining 4 pages I'll make a "general topic" and "country specific topics" as they arise.