What the Application Consists of

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Hi
Newbie here, Doing some research and stumbled across this very informative site. Decided to apply after the new regs allowing potential applicants to bypass the agent came into force. Everything looks straightfwd , but not too sure how many forms to fill out, is it 2 of each for me and my wife?? Also we only need the RM150K Fixed Deposit and do not need any income details right? Cheers

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hi,

Welcome to the site. Please ask away. The site has become quite large over the past couple of years and it can be difficult to locate things - I'll be doing some housekeeping shortly.

For over 50 you need one RM150,000 FD that covers both of you. You also have to show that you've got sufficient funds to support your stay in Malaysia for the 10 years of the visa.

How much you need to show has been established by practice rather than anything stated or written down on the mm2h.gov.my site or anywhere else.

At the moment you need to show at least RM500,000 (under 50) or RM350,000 (over 50) in cash. And a support income of RM10,000 per month. It's this bit that is causing a hiccup for some folks. The support income is proven via 3 months worth of bank statements.

Any assets, such as property, shares, bonds etc. can be included as an extra to enhance the overall financial amount. 

The support income that we're talking about here is for sufficient funds to support yourself. It is different from the "RM10,000 government pension option" alternative to the FD.

The latest change was :

1). No need for an agent. This is clear and straightforward.

The latest proposed change is :

2). For the Ministry of Tourism to find a way for applicants to show the RM10,000 income without the applicants having privacy issues. This is still in the works, and it is not clear (at least, not to me) if this applies to the RM10,000 support income (sufficient funds) or the RM10,000 government pension option (alternative to FD). Or to both.

For the forms you'll need 1 for you and 1 for the wife but check below as you'll need copies.

regards, Scott

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hi,

Here's the latest application list from the mm2h.gov.my site :

There are 11 items for the Application. This is followed by 8 items for Notes. Item 8 of this consists of A. B and C for where you're going to apply.

If you intend to say in Peninsula Malaysia then apply in KL.

If you want to stay in Sarawak (and this may allow you to stay in Peninsula Malaysia - I never been able to find out exactly convincingly) then apply in Sarawak.

If you want to stay in Sabah (and this does include Peninsula Malaysia, but double check) then apply in Sabah.

1 Letter of Application (Cover Letter from applicant)
   A current (dated) resume of the main applicant;

2 One (1) copy of MM2H Application Form - can be downloaded from the MM2H website;

Note: Applicants and all their dependants have to complete the form individually.

3 Three (3) copies of IM.12 Form (Social Visit Pass);
   one (1) original copy - can be downloaded from MM2H website/purchased at Immigration Department
   Two (2) photostat copies.

Note: Applicants and all their dependants have to complete the form individually.

4 Four (4) coloured passport sized photographs:

5 Copy of Passport/Travel documents (all pages) with certification on the pages with personal particulars;

6 Certified copy of Marriage Certificate (if applicable)

7 Certified copy of Divorce Certificate/ Death Certificate/ Separation Document/ related legal documents (if applicable for verificaton of marital status of applicant);

8 Certified copy of Birth Certificate (if accompanied by children);
Letter of Confirmation from Medical Specialist/ General Practitioner (if accompanied by disabled children above 18 years old);

9 Certified copy of related documents (if accompanied by adopted children/ step children);

10. Certified copy (s) of latest 3 month's bank statements / other related financial document (s) to indicate the financial capability to support stay in Malaysia;

11. ** Latest 3 month's certified copies of pay slip/ pension slip/ income statement etc;

**Only applicants who are drawing from Government Pensions will be considered to have fulfilled the "Monthly off - Shore Income" criterion.

Notes :

1. All copies must be certified TRUE COPIES OF ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS by EMBASSY / HIGH COMMISSION/ SOLICITOR/ JUSTICE OF PEACE/ NOTARY PUBLIC/ COMMISIONER FOR OATHS / GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL

2. Qualified translator must translate all supporting documents into English (where original documents are not in English)

3. Dependants refer to children aged below 18 years and not married.

4. Participants from selected countries who are entering Malaysia with Tourist Social Visit Pass prior to approval of Malaysia My Second Home programme are required to pay for Journey Performed Visa (JP) fee of RM500.00. The payment should be made to Immigration Department before getting Malaysia My Second Home endorsement sticker in their passports.

5. The processing and approval process will take 4 weeks from the date of submission of the application (provided the documentation is complete)
6. Applicants who wish to stay in Sabah/Sarawak, should forward their applications directly to the Director State Immigration Department of Sabah/Sarawak One Stop Agency.

7. Copy of Passport/Travel documents (all pages) with certification on the pages with personal particulars;

Note: Copy of previous passport is required if applicant has renewed his/her passport within the last 12 months.

8. Submission Addresses:

A. Individual direct applications for Peninsular Malaysia are to be submitted to:
Malaysia My Second Home Centre
Ministry of Tourism, Malaysia
Level 23, Menara Dato' Onn
Putra World Trade Centre
50695 Kuala Lumpur
MALAYSIA

Tel : +60-3-2696 3367/3354/3361/3351/3366
Fax : +60-3-2698 8533
Email: info@mm2h.gov.my

B. Sabah
Department of Immigration, Sabah
Aras 1-4, Block B,
Kompleks Pentadbiran Kerajaan Persekutuan Sabah,
Jalan Sulaman,
88450 Kota Kinabalu, Sabah.
Tel : +6088– 807000
Fax : +6088– 488800

 

C. Sarawak
ONE STOP AGENCY
Public Relations,
ICT Unit and Sarawak / Malaysia My Second Home Programme "One Stop Agency"
Ministry of Urban Development & Tourism
Level 2, Bangunan Baitulmakmur,
Medan Raya, Petra Jaya,
93050 Kuching, Sarawak, Malaysia
 
Tel : +6082 319313 / 309
Fax : +6082 441277 / 5311
Email : carolcty@sarawaknet.gov.my

regards, Scott

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Thanks for all that useful info and pronto Scott. No doubt I will have more questions as they arise.

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Hi Scott

Thanks for your information on the application procedure. But there is one item which confused me.

It says if you are over 50, you need to have FDRM150,000 or a monthly pension of RM10,000/month.
And RM500,000 to support the 10 yr stay in Malaysia.

Does it mean if I was unable to show proof of RM10,000/monthly pension but do have RM500,000 in fund or bond, I'm eligible to apply?  Please verfy.

Thanks.

Gin

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Hi Gin,

Excuse me for butting in, but I just wanted to share with you what we had to do for our application submitted last August. Our agent (Joy-Stay) recommended that we show proof of a minimum of RM10k income per month AND a minimum of RM500K cash at bank - proof of assets (property, superannuation / pension accounts, shares etc) would not suffice - it had to be cash and we had to show proof of BOTH; income and cash at bank!

Cheers
Poul 

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I could forsee that now that the applicants can DIY, there will be a lot of applications submitted and piling up in MM2H. If a simple financial standing criteria can be interpreted in more than one ways, God bless you if your application does not score a "hole in one" for your application is going to be chucked one side waiting for you to call MM2H to enquire what is holding them up. They will not communcate with you what is wrong with your application. The onus is on you to find out and take the necessary action. No wonder my Aussie friend still wants his agent to continue with his service. Earlier his family of 4  submitted their IM 12 Social Visit Pass in duplicates when it should be in triplicates.   What his agent did for him is he threw away the duplicates and fill up a fresh ones in triplicates as Immigration allows a thrid party submission on behalf of the applicants. Luckily his agent has an extra set of their photos which actually were his office copies.  You expect MM2H to do this for you? Nah. So sometimes this little little thing does help.

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If one can afford the ridiculous fees charged by the agents (not all of them but most of them) and not have the time to chase up the application, then, agents are a godsend. Scenarios you mentioned can be sorted out by the DIY applicant very simply, besides you do not need a degree to complete the forms.

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hi, Gin,

Does it mean if I was unable to show proof of RM10,000/monthly pension but do have RM500,000 in fund or bond, I'm eligible to apply?  Please verfy.

Although the RM10,000 amounts are the same, there's a big DIFFERENCE between monthly (support) income and monthly government pension option.

The government pension is an alternative application option to the Fixed Deposit for those over 50.

The monthly income (which I designate "support" to distinguish it) is required for the FD option, irrespective of age, as part proof of ability to support the stay in Malaysia.

This site understands that approval via a government pension is difficult to get.

Application via the Fixed Deposit Option
Cash in the bank of RM500,000 (RM350,000 for over 50) and a monthly INCOME of RM10,000.

Application via Monthly Pension Option
RM10,000 monthly government PENSION, and RM200,000 cash in the bank.

As golfer has posted, it's cash in the bank that counts. Golfer's right on this. My earlier post that it could be in assets bonds/shares) was inaccurate and I've changed it. I meant to post that assets (property, shares, bonds etc.) in addition to the cash will assist the application, but it didn't come out that way. Also the RM500,000 cash amount posted applies to under 50 and I've clarified this as follows :.

At the moment you need to show at least RM500,000 (under 50) or RM350,000 (over 50) in cash. And a support income of RM10,000 per month. It's this bit that is causing a hiccup for some folks. The support income is proven via 3 months worth of bank statements.

Any assets, such as property, shares, bonds etc. can be included as an extra to the cash to enhance the overall financial amount. 

So the answer is that your application would have difficulty unless you can come up with the RM10,000 monthly support income. Check your situation with Yvonne at Joy-Stay (Joy-Stay.com) on her site's quick assessment.

regards, Scott

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hi,

A few years go I extrapolated from very sketchy application details from MoTour and showed that the rate of application success from DIY applicants was very high indeed. The rate of success from agents was about 50%.

Quite honestly, if I was making an application now I'd use an agent if I were applying from overseas and was charged less than RM1600. This is because Joy-Stay are offering a semi-DIY option at RM1600 and no extras for personal bond and no administration charge if the application isn't successful. It seems to me to be a very good deal. In fact when this site was discussing (2006) setting-up a member owned semi-DIY agency the charge we were talking about was RM1750.

If I were already in Malaysia, staying or visiting, I'd make the application myself. No question about it.

If I were overseas and intending to visit anyway, I'd bring the application with me. If I was being charged RM5,000 for an application against RM2,500 (or whatever it is now) for an air ticket, I'd fly over.

I'd have a holiday, put the application in, check out some longer term accommodation (for when the application was approved), and still save money over the RM5,000 standard agency fee. And I'd save a bundle over those agents charging the max of RM10,000.  And I'd save a lot more over those agents charging a lot more than the max (as highlighted by the then Minister of Tourism in 2006).

regards, Scott

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Hi Scott and all
Is there any office or place who translates and certifies german documents into english?
Thank you and regards
Uli

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Is there any office or place who translates and certifies german documents into english?

I had my documents translated and certified from Dutch to English by:
   Institut Terjemahan Negara Malaysia
   Wisma ITNM, No. 2, Jalan 2/27E, Seksyen 10, Wangsa Maju
   53300 Kuala Lumpur
This institute is acknowledged by Immigration. Cost RM62 per A4

Danny

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Thanks very much Danny

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When we did our MM2H agreed we paid on the high side, but one is thinking of retirement, & it was utterly stress free, they originally told us maybe take 3 months for approval, it actually took only 5 weeks we were surprised so quick. Obviously we had to prove our own meagre finances, & show up for a medical to prove we were still alive. Neither of us are fluent in any of the languages, & most importantly like any job / occupation when you’ve been doing something for many years you know just who to see, visit, phone up, & to arrange things that’s what you pay the agent for.  I remember in previous companies I worked for here in Asia they always employed “runners” to do visas etc, same here agents know just who to see & at which counter etc.