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Re: Penang or KL
« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2010, 08:31:09 PM »
Recently some quite :) big catering operations have set up amongst the trees, but as far as I can see, no running water, no toilet facilities, hygiene very basic.

Sounds worrying as that's exactly how the illegal structures/hawkers started in Batu Ferringhi with first, one or two makeshift wooden structures erected, then followed by more & more making a beeline to do the same few months later.  Unfortunately, removing them away is a very difficult task for local authority as it's a very sensitive issue.  Why?  Just figure it out! >:( >:(

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« Reply #16 on: June 29, 2010, 08:36:02 PM »
Since both Victor and Robert live in Queensbay area, the following news might be of your interest :

http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2010/6/29/north/6560617&sec=North

A ‘crown jewel’ for Penang

The state government has identified a 24ha parcel of land in Bayan Mutiara for an integrated development to support its vision of transforming Penang into an international city...............................................


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Re: Penang or KL
« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2010, 09:21:59 PM »
Recently some quite :) big catering operations have set up amongst the trees, but as far as I can see, no running water, no toilet facilities, hygiene very basic.
The land opposite is empty, used as a toilet!, that must be the land mentioned in the article.

We were driving to QueensBay and took a left turn instead of right after getting off the highway just before the P.Jerejak entrance. There are many completed semi-ds and bungalows etc but across the road on the beach side are lots of hawkers and lots of cars parked along bith sides of the road.
I'm not sure if that's the plot you are referring to.
I just thought what would the future residents think with these hawkers right at the door steps of their expensive homes!  :o

Similarly in the news this wk illegal squarters are setting up homes along the beach in Tg Tokong!! I don't understand it, if some one breaks the law why is it so difficult for the relevant govt department to act quick? The longer they stay the more complications resulting in tax payers paying the compensations to get these illegal squarters to relocate!!

http://www.sun2surf.com/article.cfm?id=48127

Squatters up the stakes

SINCE early this year, authorities in Penang have been forced to contend with a special breed of squatters who have a knack for carving out territories for their private use. Encroaching on public land without any permission or official consultation, these people are known to build illegal buildings to live or operate businesses in, and then insisting that they deserve to be left undisturbed in their self-proclaimed domains.

Most remarkably, the areas that have been quite visibly trespassed upon have been beaches, which come under the government and are by law required to be open for full public access.

In Tanjung Tokong more than a dozen elaborate structures have been built on a reclaimed beachfront even though the entire 300m stretch has been gazetted as state reserve land and is earmarked for a public park. What is shocking about this illegal “kampung” is not just that it had emerged in less than a year, but the sheer sophistication of the buildings.

Government officials, including from the state land office, were taken aback when they went to the beach recently only to be greeted by the sight of buildings like a bungalow, workshops, boat sheds, and enclosures with chicken, turkeys and other livestock.

One family that lives there admitted it had spent in excess of RM40,000 to build a house, a gazebo and sheds on the beach – all in less than nine months.

Understandably, one can be forgiven for reacting with a sense of indignation at the behaviour of these modern squatters. One may be inclined to ask what right these people have to put up their private dwellings on public land  without any permission. What gall do these people have to think they can squat and take over for free land that is meant for people at large?

But the issue is not just one of gross indiscipline and brazen violation of the law; it has also to do with the acute scarcity of land and the rampant population spread in urban areas. For example, unknown to most people, the family mentioned earlier was previously residing at the nearby Kampung Tanjung Tokong which has been slated for demolition to make way for a high-rise residential project. Having lived in the vicinity all their lives, the quiet secluded beachfront seemed to be the only place they felt they could settle down. “We don’t disturb anyone here,” the head of the family said. “I have explained to the authorities that this area was unused, so we just moved here.”

In an even more astounding case, the Penang Island Municipal Council recently demolished a three-storey wooden tree-house built about eight years ago at a public beach in Tanjung Bungah, ending months of controversy.

Supporters of the illegal tree-house, whose owner used it to operate an unlicensed café called “Do Re Mi” in it, questioned why similar action was not taken against other structures, including illegal extensions to beachfront houses, that were encroaching on the beach without permit.

The tree-house operator has since asked for compensation, saying the government should help reimburse him for the investment he had put into the structure and the bank loan he had taken.

Never mind that the whole thing was built without permit on state land; or that it had elicited complaints from nearby residents about issues of cleanliness and safety.

The government has since given an assurance that it will work in stages to address complaints of other illegal works at Penang’s beaches. In places like Batu Ferringhi for example, entire swathes have been taken up by illegal commercial beach operators, who insist they have a right to squat there to earn a living.

To compound the matter, there are almost always political elements waiting in the wings to get involved in these cases, ostensibly for their own purposes; even as more and more communities are uprooted from their traditional places of residence by development projects.

And the cases highlighted above form just the tip of the iceberg. There are numerous other instances of illegal encroachment at inland areas, posing a string of headaches for the authorities.

Himanshu is theSun’s Penang bureau chief. Comments: letters@thesundaily.com

I guess before you buy a property best survey your surroundings making sure there are no empty lots, space, pavements or greeneries cos some one will be setting up shops/villages there !! ::) ::)

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« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2010, 09:55:10 PM »
Why illegal structures is a thorny issue and difficult to deal with?  Here are the answers :


Malay NGOs hold protest, burn effigy of Guan Eng (Updated)

GEORGE TOWN: A group of Malay non-governmental organisations staged a protest at Komtar here after Friday prayers to object against what they claimed was discrimination in the demolition of illegal hawker stalls, burning an effigy of Chief Minister Lim Guan Eng in the process……

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2010/2/5/nation/20100205155351&sec=nation

Pull rep out of council, Malay chamber told

GEORGE TOWN (Feb 19, 2009): The Penang Malay Chamber of Commerce (PMCC) has been challenged to pull out its representative in the Penang Island Municipal Council (MPPP), if it is dissatisfied with the current administration……………
He also pointed out that PMCC's protests against the demolition of illegal hawker stalls purportedly owned by Malays, were not actually helping Malay traders.
"Many of these stalls are owned by foreigners, not local Malays, so they are not supporting Malays but illegal immigrants and foreigners," he said.

http://www.sun2surf.com/article.cfm?id=43591

Mansor lashes out at PKR's Zahrain, Tan

Penang's Deputy Chief Minister 1 Mansor Othman says Parti Keadilan Rakyat (PKR) would not "cry" if one or two leaders, who had expressed their unhappiness over the state of affairs in Penang led by DAP's Lim Guan Eng, left the party……………………………………………………..

Mansor was at a press conference with DAP state chairman Chow Kon Yeow, who is also the local government exco.

Chow and Mansor were refuting allegations by the Penang Malay Chamber of Commerce and several other Muslim NGOs accusing the state government and the local council of targeting Malays in their enforcement of illegal structures.

Based on statistics on the enforcement by the Penang Island Municipal Council (MPPP), Chow said it was never the state government nor MPPP practice to target certain races…………………………..

http://www.malaysia-today.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=30009:mansor-lashes-out-at-pkrs-zahrain-tan-&catid=19:newscommentaries&Itemid=100131


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Re: Penang or KL
« Reply #19 on: June 29, 2010, 10:49:33 PM »
Hey Robert - we are neighbour then! Glad to know there is someone else in this forum that lives nearby.

I saw the row of illegal Malay street hawkers along the road as well. Actually when I took a walk along the beach this morning, it is not as dirty as I thought. But, I guess the place is a mess during and after the trading. Not pleasant to live next door to the illegal stalls, esp for the expensive Bayan Mutiara bungalows.

This illegal traders are a problem along the other side of Queensbay as well. Rubbish strewn everywhere, with illegal street vendors in van. Mostly frequented by foreign workers and Malay.

I hope one day with the entire area fully developed, the place will be gentrified, just like Gurney. The illegal traders will need to find somewhere else to run their illegal stalls. Maybe further down the coastal highway along the FTZ.

I wonder what Guan Eng and his govt will or can do to clean up the place.

Victor

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Re: Penang or KL
« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2010, 07:09:00 PM »
My wife & I are visiting Penang this October/November, probably going look
for a long term rental condo at that time. Anyone have any recommendations ?
At the same time if anyone knows an affordable serviced apartment for those 2
months that would be helpful.
regards, john

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Re: Penang or KL
« Reply #21 on: July 18, 2010, 07:44:52 PM »
Hello Corporateangel,
I can't PM (not enough postings I suppose). I'd be interested to hear
your recommendation for a Penang apartment for October/November. In that period
my wife & I want to fix up a long term rental for the period from Jan 2011 onwards.
December we'll be in NZ sorting out our possessions for shipment.
regards, john

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« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2010, 09:39:38 PM »
B Ferringhi beach bar/cafe structures ;) I understand from local advice that a prominent one is 'owned' by wife of senior police officer? Hmmmmmmmmmm not much more to be said about that O0

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« Reply #23 on: July 19, 2010, 09:43:45 AM »
My wife & I are visiting Penang this October/November, probably going look
for a long term rental condo at that time. Anyone have any recommendations ?
At the same time if anyone knows an affordable serviced apartment for those 2
months that would be helpful.
regards, john

I can recommend Penang Times Square

I should start a thread here about my stay there, keep an eye out for it

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Re: Penang or KL
« Reply #24 on: July 19, 2010, 11:10:35 AM »
hi, esa-aardvark,

Welcome to the site. Yes, you need 10 posts to start using the PM facility.

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Re: Penang or KL
« Reply #25 on: January 16, 2011, 02:04:01 AM »

"I'm pretty sure that several people on this board have looked at Infinity.  We didn't as we knew the units would be too big for us.   So over to Infinity viewers..."

I know this thread is a little dated (since I was keen on looking at a unit in The Cove) for those still interested in feedback on The Cove, Infinity and 1Tanjong, these were my observations:

I visited The Cove in Dec. 2010 -  Went up Block C and looked at the place. I thought that the floor plan was poorly designed. You'd think, that with 6000s. ft, they could have utilized the space more sensibly. rooms are small in relation to total space available. I think the architect was un-imaginative. While up there (25th floor), we could see work being carried out on Tower B (outer tower, I think) of 1Tanjong. It was clear that 1Tanjong (Tower B) will block out The Cove views of Block A, B & C considerably while 1Tanjong Tower A will certainly block considerable sea-views of The Cove A and B towers. The sea-view for Cove will now be limited to arcs between 1Tanjong towers A and B. I think that is why some owners of The Cove are selling their units quickly before the 1Tanjong towers are up. For sure, once they are up, it will be evident to potential buyers what the views will be like! The only The Cove block that will have a significant sea view left will be Tower D. I am not even sure if 1tanjong will cancel some slight view from that one also......i may be wrong, hard to say now!
I also looked at Infinity (4000-odd sq. ft, I think) and the tower closer to the road has about 40% sea-view. Good at the higher floors (a close friend bought one unit & I was in his unit on 14th floor). The outer Infinity block (100% sea-view) is the one to get. You also get: the briefest of walks down to a nice beach area, ability to buy fresh fish from the fishermen as they come alongside the towers since the river flows out to sea just by Infinity, a really nice gym (quality equipment), a wet-market and bus terminus directly across the towers altho' the swimming pool seems small for the size of the complex. I am not able to comment on 1Tanjong but Tower B (outer tower) must be the one to get when it is finally up...all 40-odd floors. Not certain about the details of the amenities (nor even details about the builder) but the location of Infinity and 1Tanjong is great! Trouble is, the prices are "way up there"!

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« Reply #26 on: January 16, 2011, 02:17:41 AM »
Hi everybody its theold100 again. I am considering moving to Malaysia but have the conundrum Penang or KL. .....However, I am not sure of where I want to end up, I like both Penang and KL and cannot make up my mind and would welcome any advice/comments particularly any members who have experience of both places. Best wishes. David

For what is is worth, as someone said here, the choice of KL or Penang is really dependent on what it is you are after! If you are after considerable networking (social and work-related), love a lot of night life activities (with more sophistication esp. in the hotels and bars), a lot of sophisticated malls, loads of international schools, etc. then KL is the place you are after. Countering that will be the traffic, crowds, noise (& pollution) and high prices for dwellings.

Penang is more laid-back but has its charms in its "quaintness" - old buildings, much friendlier people, decent clubs and organizations for social pursuits, water-borne activities, comparatively lower price of dwellings, etc. Countering that would be smaller scaled shopping outlets- less sophisticated malls, seasonally crazy traffic (around school holidays) and less social and work-related networking opportunities.

For me, being KL - bred, Penang was a "logical choice". I thought KL to be too superficial for my tastes...but that's just me, having grown up there in the late sixties through the early eighties and I saw the transformation.

 

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